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Xenogears, what a load of crap.

 Θέμα δημοσίευσης: Xenogears, what a load of crap.
ΔημοσίευσηΔημοσιεύτηκε: Κυρ Ιούλ 05, 2009 6:09 am 
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Kat'arxhn na ksekatharisw 2 pragmata. 1on, milaw gia to Xenogears gia Play Station 1, kai OXI gia to Xenosaga series gia play station 2 to opoio den exw paiksei kai ap oso kserw den exei kammia sxesh me thn istoria tou Xenogears. 2on, einai hate post apla gia na vgalw to axti mou gi auth thn ahdia pou tolmaei na legetai paixnidi opote opoios goustare to paixnidi mporei na aisthanthei prosvevlhmenos.

Exei edw kai kairo pou exw kseskistei na paizw palia paixnidia pou otan hmoun mikros den etyxe na mporesw na ta paiksw, logw tou oti ta emulators pleon einai kai gamw kai mporeis na paikseis virtually anything (h texnologia exei ftasei se shmeio successful emulation mexri kai Play Station 2 kai Nintendo Wii kai DS!!). Eipa loipon na paiksw to Xenogears, ena paixnidi ths Squaresoft, ths idias epoxhs me to Final Fantasy 7, gia to opoio eixa akousei mono ta kalytera logia. Pleon efxomai na mhn to eixa kanei.

Grafika: To Final Fantasy 7 pou htan ths idias xronias eixe kanei ton kosmo me poly eksypno tropo. Kserontas oi sxediastes oti ta 3D graphics ths epoxhs htan laughable, ekanan ton kosmo 2D static images kai kanan 3D mono tous xarakthres, kati pou periorize thn kakh piothta grafikwn mono sthn perioxh twn xarakthrwn me apotelesma to optiko apotelsma na fainetai poly omorfo.

To Xenogears, vlepontas thn epityxia tou Final Fantasy se auton ton tomea eipe "ok, that works, how can we FUCK THIS GREAT IDEA UP?". Apotelesma, kanan OLON ton kosmo 3D me apotelesma na moiazei san Lego, kai tous xarakthres 2D gifs. Auto tha elege kapoios, toulaxiston exei san apotelesma oi xarakthres toulaxiston na einai omorfoi... WRONG. Anti h Squaresoft na parei thn poly aplh idea pou xrhsimopoioun alla paixnidia tou idiou styl (vlepe Ragnarok Online) opou o xarakthras einai ena eniaio gif kai kathe fora pou allazei kati allazei oloklhro to gif, sto Xenogears o xarakthras einai kommenos se 11 kommatia! To kathe kommati kineitai aneksarthta apo ta ypoloipa se ena failed attempt na kanoun recreate 3D motion technology se 2D models. Apotelesma? O xarakthras fainetai na einai san origami me kommatia kolhmena me kola, me toso realistikh kinhsh oso exei enas xartaetos se anemostrovilo. To kefali tou xarakthra einai 2 ksexwrista komatia, to ena panw sto allo san apopeira na xwrisoun ta matia apo to stoma outws wste na kinountai aneksarthta. To provlima? OI XARAKTHRES DEN EXOUN STOMA! To kefali tou xarakthra miazei san na nai 2 vraxia, to ena panw sto allo.

Se kathe paixnidi, apo aisthitikhs apopshs, oi dhmiourgoi prepei na apofasisoun eksarxhs ta cut scenes an tha einai 3D Animation h Cartoon Animation. Auto fainetai se paixnidia opws to final fantasy 7 pou vasizetai se 3D animations, kai ola ta cut scenes einai full rendered 3D kai se paixnidia opws px to Alundra pou ola ta cut scenes einai cartoon animation. Sto Xenogears ap oti fainetai den mporousan na apofasisoun metaksy twn 2 opote TA EVALAN KAI TA 2 MESA! Apotelesma? Ta cut scenes enalasontai apo full rendered 3D se cartoon animation dinontas KAMMIA aisthitikh synoxh kai kanontas ton paixth na aisthanetai oti paizei 2 diaforetika paixnidia.

Alla arketa gia ta grafika. Mporw na ta thavw gia wres, ena aplo playtest tha sas deiksei akrivws ti ennow. Pame sto...

Scenario: Den kserw apo pou na prwto arxisw. As ksekinhsoume apo ton vasiko xarakthra. Sto Final Fantasy 7, o main character, o Cloud eixe 2 proswpikothtes. Ton Cloud pou tha hthele na einai, kai ton Cloud pou ontws htan. Epaizes enan sxizofrenh xarakthra me 2 proswpikothtes kai polloi paixtes (opws ki egw) to vrhkan cool. Sto Xenogears ypethesan oti h pollaplh proswpikothta poulaei. Opote ti ekanan? XWSAN 5 PROSWPIKOTHTES STO IDIO ATOMO! Nai, den diavasate lathos, 5: O xarakthras pou paizoume, o xarakthras pou kapote htan, o xarakthras pou htan parallhla me ton xarakthra pou kapote htan, o xarakthras pou vghke san apotelesma ths yparkshs twn 2 xarakthrws pou kapote htan kai o xarakthras pou... well you get the drift. Kapoios eprepe se ekeinh thn periodo na paei stous developers kai na tous pei: OI PROSWPIKOTHTES DEN POULIOUNTAI ME TO KILO!

Telos pantwn tha ksana erthw polles fores se auto to thema opote as pame sto main scenario. H vasikh idea tou paixnidiou einai na paroun thn Genesh kai thn Apokalypsh apo thn vivlo, thn Cabbalah twn Evraiwn kai thn metensarkwsh twn indouistwn (wtf?!!?) kai na ta ekshghsoun ola auta se ena altrouistiko sci fi tropo mesw ths texnologias. Yawn, nothing special there, to exoume dei se apeira anime. To provlima einai oti kata th diarkeia pou esy paizeis, exoun ginei ena tono pragmata sto parelthon kai enas tonos pragmata ekselisontai parallhla me thn istoria. Ws apotelesma, exeis synexeia cut scenes me proswpa pou DEN kses, na milane gia gegonota pou DEN kses kai alla proswpa pou DEN kses SYNEXEIA kai na se VOMVARDIZOUN synexws me plhrofories oi opoies, analogizesai, prepei na einai shmantikes, kai prospatheis na tis sygrathseis, mono pou einai dyskolo otan DEN kses gia TI SKATA MILANE, kai na mperdevesai kai na agxwnesai kai na sygxizesai mexri pou en telei stamatas na dineis vash se otidhpote kai na poun kai apla na kaneis skip mexri na synexiseis thn istoria. Auto, ma to theo, ginetai KATHE 20 LEPTA PROODOU, kai PANTA milane gia kati ENTELWS DIAFORETIKO. Oi dhmiourgoi tou paixnidiou kanan to lathos na ypothesoun oti to na apokrypteis plhrofories apo ton paixth dhmiourgei vathos sto senario enw auto pou pragmatika dhmiourgei einai SYGXISH.

Oi dialogoi tou kathe NPC einai san na tous egrapse 10 xronwn paidi. Kata th diarkeia pou milane gia kati entelws asxeto, petane random plhrofories pou den sxetizontai ME KANENA tropo me to antikeimeno ths syzhthshs tous, mono kai mono gia na dwsoun autes tis plhrofories ston paixth. Ena aplo paradeigma einai h syzhthsh metaksy 3 NPCs pou den exeis idea poioi einai epanw se ena sxedio polemou (o opoios den kses pou kai giati ginetai) sto opoio tha steiloun stratous na nikhsoun kapoious pou den exeis idea poioi einai. Kai sto telos, o enas apo autous, out of the blue, with no apparent reason, petaei thn ataka "After all we are gods!" WHERE THE HELL DID THAT COME FROM?!??!?

Ena akoma thema einai oti to party DEN EXEI COMMON SENSE! Se kapoia fash sto paixnidi anakalypteis oti ta save points einai ousiastika mikro-ypologistes, kai oti kathe fora pou kaneis save, ola ta dedomena pane stous kakous ths ypotheshs kai kseroun otidhpote exeis kanei kai pou exeis skopo na pas sthn poreia. Par'ola auta, to paixnidi SE ANAGAZEI na ta xrhsimopoihseis, kai sto kapaki deixnei cut scene me tous villains na syzhtane gia dedomena pou MOLIS TOUS EXEIS STEILEI! Se poio RPG to party einai TOSO HLITHIO??!???

Kai erxetai se kapoia fash sto paixnidi h stigmh pou arxizoun kai sou ekshgoun ti eixe ginei kai ti ginetai sto paron, kai ola auta ta opoia den hkseres arxizoun na vgazoun nohma. Dystyxws. DEN kserw ti kapnize o senariografos otan egrafe thn istoria. Profanws mperdepsan to vathos tou senariou me to na kanoun oso pio mperdemenh ginetai thn istoria. Kai milame gia MPERDEMA. O main villain tou paixnidiou, pou synantas apo thn arxh mexri to telos, en telei apodykneietai oti einai: O pateras sou, autos pou SKOTWSE ton patera sou, mia dikia sou prohgoumenh metensarkwsh, ESY STO PARON kai o idios o main villain pou synantouses apo thn arxh tou paixnidiou. Ola auta mazi. Taytoxrona. Den kanw plaka. Kai den einai mono autos. OLOI oi NPCs einai parwmoiws fucked up. Na paroume thn gomena tou main xarakthra? Einai: H gomena sou, h mana sou, auth pou SKOTWSE thn mana sou, mia prohgoumenh metensarkwsh ths manas sou kai auth pou genhse oles tis gynaikes tou kosmou sthn Genesh. Taytoxrona. WHAT, THE FUCK? Pistepste me otan sas lew, oti OLOI oi NPCs einai TOSO mperdemenoi oso autoi oi 2. Kserw oti ta anime to travane to thema apo ta mallia, alla auto, pragmatika, den to exw ksanasynanthsei.

Kai ftanoume ston termatismo tou paixnidiou. Exeis faei to mind fuck kai les, toulaxiston tha exei psagmeno telos. Kai paizeis, paizeis paizeis, ftaneis sto end boss to nikas, kai me megalh sou lyph anakalypteis oti o termatismos den einai TIPOTA mind shattering, xwris plot twists h otidhpote meaningful. Ti ginetai? Swzeis to koritsi kai ksanagyrizeis spiti sou. Auta. WHAT?

Gameplay: As ypothesoume oti ws stigmhs exoume ena paixnidi pou den exei omorfa grafika kai ena senario pou se eknevrizei sthn prospatheia tou na ginei vathy. Opote kapoios tha pei, e den mporei, gia na arese se toso kosmo toulaxiston to gameplay tou prepei na einai kalo! WRONG. To gameplay einai actually to XEIROTERO meros tou paixnidiou.

Oi maxes xwrizontai sta 2. Maxes me xarakthres, kai maxes me mechas. Oi maxes me tous xarakthres den einai tipota idiaitero. Turn based, Final Fantasy style, spells, combos, ta klasika. An eksaireseis ta grafika den einai tipota asxhmo alla oute kai tipota idietairo. Oi maxes me mechas, apo thn allh, einai mia entelws diaforetikh istoria. Gia arxh, as anaferw oti ta mechas den kanoun heal para mono sto 2o miso tou paixnidiou. Opote anagazesai na vgaleis oloklhra dungeons kai poses maxes xwris na fas damage, kai na efxesai na yparxei sto dungeon enas NPC pou mporei na sou kanei heal to mecha. O NPC autos exontas paiksei olo to game, einai sto 20% twn dungeons, opote prepei na eisai POLY prosektikos. Kata th diarkeia ths maxhs, pou einai ki auth turn based opws oi maxes me tous xarakthres, to prwto pragma pou vlepeis einai oti sthn othonh kineitai se random merh enas megalos kyklos me ena stavro sth mesh. Kai pali kaneis select target gia na kaneis attack, alla otan plhsiazeis ston target kanei freeze h othonh kai exeis mono ton kyklo na kineitai kai perimenei to paixnidi na pathseis to analogo koumpi gia na kaneis attack. Opoiosdhpote tha ypothesei oti autos o kyklos einai h eystoxia sou kai prepei na vareseis otan autos o kyklos kanei target ton exthro. Kai ontws auto theloun na sou poun kai oi sxediastes tou paixnidiou, efoson debuffs pou sou katevazoun to accuracy, to mono pou ousiastika kanoun einai na kanoun auton ton kyklo na kineitai pio grhgora kai na kanei pio apotomes kinhseis. Opote apofasizeis na pathseis to koumpi na epitetheis. Ki ekei katalavaineis thn tragikothta tou systhmatos: DEN EXEI SHMASIA AN O KYKLOS KANEI TARGET TON EXTHRO! Alloi exthroi xtypiountai an tous kaneis target to podi, alloi an tous kaneis target to swma, alloi an kaneis target terma pisw tous me ton kyklo na mhn tous shmadevei kan, alloi otan kaneis target ton eauto sou and so on and so on. Kai auta ta dedomena allazoun APO GYRO SE GYRO. Koinws, to an tha petyxeis ton exthro einai ENTELWS RANDOM, kai pistepste me symvainei SPANIA. Koinws pernane gyroi kai gyroi pou den kaneis kan attack ston exthro enw autos sou kanei damge. Pou den mporeis na kaneis heal. WHAT?

To agaphmeno mou meros einai merika boss fights, prin pareis heal, pou einai to ena boss fight meta to allo. Einai 2 tetoies periptwseis. Kai stis 2 exeis na polemhseis 5 synexomena boss fights, xwris efkairia na kaneis heal endiamesa, kai xwris na mporeis na pas kapou allou. Einai: Maxh, cut scene, maxh, cut scene, maxh, cut scene, maxh, cut scene, maxh. Xwris heal. WTF?

Kai ftanei h stigmh pou pairneis epitelous heal gia to mecha sou. Kai les, ANASTASH. To provlima einai oti me thn mia katalavaineis oti to heal sou trwei to miso akrivws fuel tou mecha. Kai na ginw ksekatharos, OTIDHPOTE kai na kanei to mecha, attack, spell, skill, OTIDHPOTE ksodevei fuel. Koinws, an exeis kanei ena attack kai meta heal, den mporeis na ksanakaneis heal. Exeis pesei se katw tou misou fuel. Kai, opws anamenei kapoios, DEN YPARXOUN ITEMS GIA REFUEL. Opote, se boss fight, ksereis oti o kathe xarakthras exei ENA heal, kai auta. Den ksanakanei heal. Tha mou peis, e entakse, ws twra thn palepses xwris heal, me heal toulaxiston tha einai pio efkola ta pragmata. LATHOS. Me to pou pairneis heal oi exthroi kanoun idiaitera sadistikes epitheseis. Mia sygekrimenh periptwsh pou exw sto myalo einai ena boss fight pou ksekinaei kanontas mia epithesh pou afhnei OLO TO PARTY me 1 Hit Point, anagazontas ton kathena na kanei heal, kai pou molis to vgaleis, cut scene, 2o Boss fight sto kapaki, me ta idia HP kai Fuel pou ki auto ME TO POU KSEKNAEI KANEI THN IDIA EPITHESH. WTF?!!? Einai san olo to paixnidi na exei programatistei gia na sou spasei ta nevra. H maxh me ta mechas apotygxanei patagwdws. Alla, dystyxws den einai to monadiko provlima tou gameplay.

Olo to paixnidi sou dinei thn aisthish oti einai enantiwn sou. Milame, apo thn arxh tou paixnidiou synantas ENA SWRO MALAKES pou to mono pou theloun einai na sou kanoun thn zwh pio dyskolh. Paradeigmata? Apeira. Me to kalhmera sas, sto prwto xwrio, einai ta training grounds pou sou mathainoun ta vasika pragmata sto paixnidi. Ena apo auta einai kai h xrhsimothta tou Save Point. O NPC pou sou ekshgei gia to Save Point, molis teleiwsei, SOU PAIRNEI ME TO ZORI 800 GP! Kai shmeiwsh, se ekeinh th fash exeis mono 1000, isa isa gia to prwto sou oplo! Eleos? Kai auto synexizetai SYNEXWS. Pas se kapoia fash se mia megalh polh, sthn opoia einai enas NPC mprosta se ena stenaki pou sou leei oti pisw tou, sto telos tou stenou, einai kati poly kalo, kai tha se afhsei na to pareis an tou dwseis 5k GP. Apo ta 8k pou exeis. An kaneis to lathos kai tou ta dwseis, anakalypteis oti to steno einai adieksodo kai oti o NPC exei eksafanistei mazi me ta lefta. Shmeiwsh, ton ksanavriskeis meta sto paixnidi, kai anti na tou spaseis ta moutra, se vazei na tou kaneis mia douleia pou den mporei na kanei o idios. Eleos? Kapou sta telh tou paixnidiou eisai se mia polh pou kapoios poulaei 5 kotopoulakia. Sou leei, thes na ta agoraseis? An peis nai, to paixnidi exei to THRASOS na sou pei "He forced you to give him 50.000GP!" kai sto kapaki ta kotopoula trexoun makria kai ta xaneis. Kai o NPC sou leei "what? I'm not giving you your money back! The chickens ran after you bought them!" GAH! Exw psaksei se ola ta game sites, DEN yparxei kapoio mystiko pisw ap ola auta ta pragmata, o monos logos pou yparxoun einai gia na sou paroun ta lefta! POU DEN EXEIS! GAH!

Ena akoma tragiko lathos tou gameplay einai oloklhro to 2o CD. Enw sto prwto exeis ton world map sou, pou pairneis diafora oxhmata kai mporeis na pas apo polh se polh, classic final fantasy stuff, to 2o CD mallon to kanan se speed version. Map is no more, kai oloklhrh h istoria eksistoreitai me text. Auto pou vlepeis me to pou phgaineis sto 2o CD einai, text, text, text, text, dungeon. Text, text, text, text, cut scene. And so on and so on. Mono sto TELOS tou 2ou CD ksana anoigei o xarths gia ekserevnhsh, alla ta mona merh pou mporeis na pas einai ta dungeons pou eixes ksanapaei sta texts, to teliko dungeon, kai mia polh. Sthn opoia yparxei ena kai monadiko event pou legetai Battling, sto opoio aksizei ksexwristh paragrafos.

Battling: Gia osous exoun paiksei to Final Fantasy 7, thymaste to Gold Saucer, ekeino to mageftiko meros pou phgaines akoma kai sto telos tou teleftaiou CD prin thn telikh maxh, pou pragmatika sou dine tosa pragmata na kanes opws Snowboarding, Bike Riding, Chocobo Racing, Sumbarine missions ktl ktl? Sto Xenogears yparxei MONO ena pragma pou mporeis na kaneis kai auto einai to Battling.

To battling ousiastika einai 1v1 maxes me mecha. Se antithesh me tis kanonikes maxes, sto battling oi maxes einai real time beat them up, se fash tekken. To thema einai oti ola ta Mecha einai idia, kai oi maxes den prosferoun kapoia idiaiterh syginhsh mias kai teleiwnoun se 15-30 defterolepta. Apo to battling kerdizeis pontous pou mporeis na antallakseis gia antikeimena. Oles oi listes twn antikeimenwn exoun skoupidia mesa, tipota pou na xreiazesai kai na mhn exeis se dekades hdh apo alla magazia, ektos apo 2 antikeimena. Ena pou kostizei 15.000 pontous kai ena pou kostizei 30.000 pontous.

H kathe maxh sou dinei 175 pontous roughly. Auto shmainei oti gia na pareis to antikeimeno pou thelei 15.000 pontous prepei na kaneis 100 maxes sto peripou, kai gia to 30.000 pontous antikeimeno 200, synolo 300 maxes. Kai h prwth erwthsh pou erxetai sto myalo einai GIATI TOSES POLLES? Entaksei, kserw oti kai sto Final Fantasy 7 eprepe na kaneis toses maxes gia na pareis ta poly kala antikeimena apo to battle square, alla ekei toulaxiston oi maxes htan challenging. Apo maxh se maxh etrwges random handicap kai auto tis kratouse endiaferouses. Sto Xenogears, oles oi maxes einai idies, teleiwnoun grigora kai den exoun nohma kathws to kathe gear exei 3 attacks, kai auta. Giati na anagaseis ton paixth na kanei 300 fores auto to pragma einai pera ths katanohshs mou.

To parakatw sequence einai to ti kaneis gia na ksekinhseis mia maxh: Milas sto NPC. O NPC se rwtaei ti thes na kaneis. Exeis 3 options. To PRWTO (an exeis to theo sou) einai "What is Battling?". To 2o einai Training, kai to 3o einai Battling. Meta se rwtaei poio mecha tha xrhsimopoihseis. WHAT'S THE POINT? OLA IDIA EINAI. Afou epilekseis meta se rwtaei choose Battling Style. To 1o einai Battling Style 1 (pou DEN thes) kai to 2o einai Battling Style 2 (auto pou thes). Opote kathe fora pou ksekinaei mia maxh einai: katw, katw, X, X, katw X.

An exeis kanei Battling 100 fores, einai epomeno oti tha ksexasteis. Kai me to pou tha milhseis ston NPC, katalathos tha pathseis X. Kai tha arxisei to FLOW OF TEXT tou ti einai battling. Exw xronometrhsei posh wra thes na vgeis apo to dwmatio sto world map kai na ksanampeis kai posh wra thes gia na patas X mexri na teleiwsei to flow of text. To na vgeis einai pio grhgoro. Opote kathe ligo kai ligaki tha mpainovgaineis sto ktirio. ELEOS.

To 2o pio spastiko pragma sthn olh ypothesh einai oti den yparxoun oi listes me tis times twn antikeimenwn se kapoio toixo. Prepei na milhseis se enan NPC gia na sta pei. Alliws den kses poso kostizei to kathe ti. Opote opoiosdhpote asxolhthei me auto to meros tou paixnidiou, prepei na dei prwta poso kostizoun ta antikeimena. Milas ston NPC, vlepeis thn timh tou antikeimenou kai les "I don't want to buy anything". To provlima einai oti o NPC sou thn leei kathe fora pou den agorazeis ena antikemeno epeidh tou ksodepses ton xrono! WELL EXCUSE ME, FOR TRYING TO FIND OUT THE PRICE YOU SHOULD HAVE ALREADY PUT UP SOMEWHERE!" Auto syndiasmeno me to repeating process twn 300 maxwn, tou na mpainovgaineis sto dwmatio kathe ligo kai ligaki kai tou na prosexeis synexeia na patas tis swstes epiloges prin kaneis battling, kai sto telos arxizeis kai eknevrizesai PARA poly me ton sygekrimeno NPC.

Opote se kapoia fash, an exeis atsalina nevra, kataferneis na kaneis 100 maxes kai na agoraseis to prwto antikeimeno twn 15.000 pontwn. Kai ontws, to antikeimeno auto kwlo leei. Einai ena attachment gia to mecha pou anevazei kata 350 pontous to damage sou. Good stuff. Opote les, to antikeimeno twn 30.000 pontwn tha einai 2 fores kalytero. Kai kaneis 200 akoma maxes. Kai to pairneis. Kai vlepeis ti kanei. Kai vlepeis oti einai ena antikeimeno pou legetai speed shoes kai se kanei 2 fores pio grhgoro stis maxes xwris Mecha. To provlima einai oti to Battling to kaneis sto telos tou 2ou CD otan sou epitrepei na ekserevnhseis ksana ton xarth, se shmeio pou mporeis na pas mono se ena dungeon. ENA DUNGEON GIA MECHA. Sygxarhthria. Molis ekanes 200 maxes gia na pareis ena antikeimeno POU DEN THA XRHSIMOPOIHSEIS! GAH!

Epilogos Eknevrismenos opws eisai, pas sto teleftaio dungeon gia na ftaseis sto end boss. To dungeon auto EXEI VGEI APO THN KOLASH THN IDIA. Den exei NPC healer, to opoio shmainei oti prepei na to vgaleis olo xwris na fas oute mia gratzounia, kai einai XAOTIKA megalo, me dromous pou fidogyrizoun xwris na kses pou pas, me lavyrintho mesa ston lavyrintho mesa sto lavyrintho, sto opoio prepei na kaneis toulaxiston 10 fores backtrack gia na kaneis activate ena swro switches, gia to opoio den exeis xarth kai den kses an prepei na pas north, south, east or west, kai na xeis synexeia sto myalo sou oti mporei auth th stigmh pou proxwraw na apomakrynomai AKOMA perisotero apo to meros pou prepei na paw. Den milaw gia stavrodromia. Milaw gia to PANDEMONIUM. Auto to dungeon me ekane na thelw na klapsw. Pragmatika. Eixa thn aisthish oti to ftiaksan mono kai mono gia na mou spasei to hthiko. Giati pragmatika den yparxei KANENAS OUSIASTIKOS TROPOS na kses POU PREPEI NA PAS. Kai sto telos, einai to margaritari pou periegrapsa sto Scenario gia ending.

All in all, to game einai to monadiko game pou tha tou dwsw 0/10 score, kai einai ena game pou osoi den to epaiksan prepei na to apofygoun san thn panoukla, kai osoi to epaiksan mallon hdh einai kleidwmenoi se kapoio asylo.

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Vrika enan akoma fysiologiko anthrwpo sto internet pou edwse kakes kritikes sto Xenogears (an kai einai enas sto ekatomyrio). Tha kanw quote mono ta arnhtika pou vrike kai ksexasa na anaferw sto parapanw mou post (yes, there are actually MORE bad things about the game :S)

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Xenogears' gameplay sucks. Big time. The battles are insanely boring. Usually, you have nothing better to do but repeatedly perform each character's best "deathblow" attack (which is just a simple fight move that does a bunch of damage). Sometimes it might be worth casting a spell, but often even the major magic users can do more damage by just fighting. Probably 80-90% of all battles are just repeats of some previous battle.

There's a lot of strange imbalances in the game. For instance, a tent -- which you can use at save points to restore the party's HP and EP -- costs 150G. An Omegasol, which you can use any time you aren't in battle to restore one character's HP and EP, costs 50G. Why buy a tent? Ever? At first when I saw Omegasols for sale I didn't believe they could actually be that simple, so I didn't buy any for about half the game or more. Once I figured them out, suddenly the on-foot parts of the game became a cakewalk, because I could completely restore my party at any time trivially.

Which bings me to the non-on-foot parts, i.e. the parts of the game where your characters are walking around piloting giant robots called "gears". These parts make me very uncomfortable. Why? Well, your gear has limited fuel. The only way to recharge fuel is to do it in battle by not moving. Since it recharges extremely slowly, unless you're fighting something that doesn't fight back, this isn't a real option. Outside of battle, you can only refuel at gear shops.

The only way to restore your gear's HP is to use fuel. Lots of fuel. Like, completely restoring your HP from zero will take most of your fuel. Also, you need fuel to fight.

So, basically, you really can't restore yourself after battles. You can't afford to spend fuel restoring HP, except maybe once. In most RPGs you can keep a stock of some sort of items which you can use to restore yourself in a pinch, but there are no healing potions for gears in Xenogears.

Amusingly, the game designers went ahead and placed gear shops all over the place. There are actually bots that conveniently stand around deep inside dungeons and act as gear shops, just so that you can refuel before boss fights. However, there are some deep-dungeon save points that do *not* have gear shop bots, and where it is not possible to turn back. Thus, if you save here with low fuel, you could be permanently stuck. This never actually happened to me, but to be safe I got in the habit of saving to a separate save slot whenever I was inside a dungeon.

I guess there were a few fun battle moments, usually revolving around the first time I tried some new ability. A lot of the abilities are quite beautifully animated and finding a new one which does a lot of damage is exciting. But with all the repeated battles, they quickly become boring.

I believe that user interface is at least as important to games as it is to software applications. Unfortunately, most games nevertheless have poor UIs. Xenogears has an especially poor UI. The main problem is that almost everything you do requires you to wait a few seconds for something.

Usually it's just CD load time. Opening the menu requires loading crap from the disc. Saving the game requires multiple steps of memory card access, which is extremely slow, but I guess that can't be helped. Passing through a door or entering a new area involves load time. Many of these things can't be helped given the hardware, and I imagine the developers worked hard to reduce load times as much as they could... but it's still annoying.

But load time isn't the only source of delays. Perhaps even more annoying is just *talking*. NPCs talk too much. There are tons and tons and tons of NPCs. Most of them have nothing interesting to say, but you gotta talk to all of them or you might miss something. Unfortunately, even the ones with nothing to say often have 3-5 windows full of text, or more. The text prints to the screen just barely faster than you can read it, and there's no way to skip a text window until it finishes printing. Why introduce this delay at all? Why not show the whole window at once, so that players can rapidly skip through text they aren't interested in or have already seen?

Worst of all, sometimes there will be functional NPCs who insist on talking for awhile before providing their function. Some shop keepers will blab on for two or three pages before they actually ask if you want to buy something. Then they blab more after you finish. Sometimes the same NPC provides multiple functions -- like selling both items and gear parts -- and if you want both you have to go through all the damned text twice. Or worse, they actually ask you, after you finish buying one thing, whether or not you want to now buy the other thing, and in the majority case where you *don't*, you have to spend time saying so. Arrghh. All this could have been fixed by just displaying full text windows instantly rather than sequentially rendering it.

All these delays combined to make the game move a lot more slowly than I would have liked. The story was good enough to keep me interested, but I imagine some people would be driven insane by it all. I don't think I will ever replay this game, and this is the main reason why.


Kai gia na apanthsw se sena Mortuis, OXI. MHN to paikseis to paixnidi akoma ki an exeis olon ton elefthero xrono tou kosmou sta xeria sou. You can spend your free time my creatively by just breathing rather than playing this sorry ass of a game. O skopos tou post mou einai na apotrepsw anthrwpous apo to na to paiksoun, oxi na tous entharynw...

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Egw to epai3a, mou arese, k dn eimai se asylo.

Granted, to epai3a prin panw apo deka xronia k etsi dn 8ymamai oute ta misa apo osa les. Alla 8ymamai oti mou arese to senario, k oi maxes xwris ta mechs.

Par'ola ayta 3exases na anafereis ena allo POLY asxhmo 8ema, to opoio emena mou exei meinei: To oti apo to 2o CD k meta, sthn ousia to game ginentai noubela me dungeons... Sthn Kyriole3ia. Diabazeis text to opoio sthn ousia einai kyriws bareto DOWNTIME, k 3afnika to story se paei se ena dungeon. Paizeis to Dungeon k meta 3ANA ena text-dump me DOWNTIME. Argh!

EDIT: Oxi dn to 3exases. To diagwnio diavasma me prodwse.

All in all pantws, emena mou eixe aresei poly to story. Diateirw thn epifyla3h oti an to epaiza shmera mporei na 3enerwna. Ama brw xrono 8a to tre3w ston Emulator (akoma dn 3ana-termatisa to FFVII :P).


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Egw to epai3a, mou arese, k dn eimai se asylo.


Isws na prepe :P To skeftikes pote?

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Εμένα μου άρεσε το σενάριο (global death scenarios appeal to me) λόγω μαυρίλας και νταρκίλας αλλά και βάθους. Είχε επικές στιγμές. Η μουσική τα έσπαγε, και τα γραφικά τα προτιμούσα πιξελιασμένα αλλά όχι Lego όπως του FF7. Τουλάχιστον απολάμβανα τα Mecha. Δεν ξέρω ρε μαν, τι να πω, ίσως και εγώ το θυμάμαι "λάθος" αλλά το παιχνίδι μου έχει αποτυπωθεί στο μυαλό μου. Το έπαιξα ΜΕΤΑ το FF7 και Overall νομίζω το προτιμώ.

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Pistevw oti irthe h wra na katastrafei o kosmos. Humanity failed. :crymorenoob:

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You failed :P. Alh8eia, ti einai to Xenogears? Gia to FF na pw ok to exw paiksei, plaka eixe, alla to allo? Pew pew laser guns?


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O sadismos materialized se computer code. Avoid avoid avoid.

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To ksereis ipotheto oti to topic ayto einai san sign "Do not press at all costs" panw apo ena kokkino koumpaki e? :P
I alitheia einai oti an kai tha ithela na to dokimaso,pros to paron exo alles vlakeies gia na xalaw tin wra mou xwris logo! :P

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